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terryjohnson16
07-07-2007, 07:56 PM
I really don't care but, its interesting.

IPhone Carrier Swap 'Close' - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20070707/tc_pcworld/134201;_ylt=Ak6BYdhu9.Lwteu0moN7B2ySxLEF)


IPhone Carrier Swap 'Close'

Elizabeth Montalbano, IDG News Service Sat Jul 7, 3:00 PM ET

A company that unlocks cell phones in Europe said it is close to having an application that will allow customers to unlock their Apple iPhones so they can use SIM cards from carriers other than AT&T Inc. to activate the phones.

In an interview this week in New York, John McLaughlin, founder of Belfast, U.K.-based Uniquephones, said he has engineers working around the clock in several countries who are close to cracking the complex security system Apple Inc. has set up to ensure customers can only use iPhones with AT&T Wireless service.

The race by hackers to unlock iPhones has been on since the phone was released last Friday. Currently AT&T Wireless has an exclusive deal with Apple to provide service for iPhones, and customers must agree to a two-year service plan with the company. However, customers have complained that the carrier's wireless service is slow, and according to McLaughlin, there has been tremendous interest in the ability to unlock the phone.

By Sunday night, he said, more than 150,000 inquires had come in through the Web site he set up to request International Mobile Equipment Identity (IMEI) numbers from customer iPhones. While not everyone would volunteer their IMEI numbers, they still expressed interest in learning how to unlock their iPhones, McLaughlin said.

When the site was set up, he thought it would be an easy case of supplying unlock codes from AT&T to unlock iPhones. But sometime over the weekend after iPhones went on sale, unlock codes from AT&T for about 6,000 iPhones disappeared from the carrier's database, and McLaughlin's team also realized it would be a more complex matter than simply providing an unlock code to release iPhones from AT&T's grip.

There is at least a two-step process to unlocking an iPhone, McLaughlin said. His team has been able to unlock the activation process to the AT&T SIM card specific to an iPhone so another AT&T SIM card can work with the phone and be activated through iTunes. However, any attempt to change the firmware of an iPhone so it can support another carrier's SIM card breaks the phone, he said. The key to unlocking the phone is breaking the encryption process that protects the token sent through the iTunes activation process to an iPhone's firmware, McLaughlin believes.

Norwegian hacker Jon Lech Johansen, also known as "DVD John" because he cracked the DVD encryption scheme, claims he's been able to unlock the iPhone beyond the activation process that requires an AT&T account, but said the device can't be used as a phone when that happens.

Even after an iPhone were unlocked, it still could only work on carrier networks that support the GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications) network, which is what AT&T's service is based on. In the U.S., T-Mobile USA Inc. is the only major carrier on a GSM network. And there is no guarantee Apple will not lock down the phones again in a future firmware update through the iPhone synchronization process, or create a new way to unlock the next wave of iPhones they put on the market.

That is, in fact, exactly what one analyst said will happen. "I assume that someone will succeed in unlocking the iPhone," said Avi Greengart, principal analyst, mobile devices at Current Analysis Inc. "I also assume Apple will close whatever loophole is open the next time they synchronize [the software]."

It's also likely there will be complications with special features of the phone that are designed to work only on AT&T's network, such as the visual voicemail feature, he said.

Greengart said that he sympathizes with those that might want to use an iPhone with another carrier but "that's not the way the product was designed."

"Exclusive agreements are not that unusual in this industry at all," he said.

Aaron Santell, an iPhone user in New York, said that he would have preferred to use the service provider he has for his Blackberry device, Verizon Wireless, when he purchased an iPhone. But using AT&T's service is "a small price to pay" to use a device that provides such a rich user experience as the iPhone does, he said.

As one might imagine, unlocking phones is a thorny issue with carriers, which certainly don't condone it. Carriers will give users unlock codes upon request for a fee, but they don't encourage the practice.

In the U.K. and Europe third parties have been unlocking handsets for several years, although there is no law that specifically protects them, McLaughlin said. However, in the U.S. it is legal to unlock mobile handsets under an amendment to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act that was passed in November 2006.

McLaughlin said that even though it's legal in the U.S. to unlock phones, he anticipates that if his team is successful, Apple may take legal action against them based on their tinkering with the firmware. "They'll probably come after us for copyright infringement," he said.

Apple did not reply to requests for comment Thursday.

McLaughlin plans to charge customers about US$49.99 for software to unlock iPhones. Even if UniquePhones is not the first to offer unlocking capability, it won't be hard for them to replicate what others have done once the encryption is cracked, he added.

greenblood
07-07-2007, 08:29 PM
I heard from radios from Hong Kong that they may develop a "mod chip" for iPhone

dsigma6
07-10-2007, 07:02 AM
This is great for people desperate to get an iPhone on another carrier, but at what cost?

Sign up for ATT and cancel, spending $600+$200...Then paying to get it unlocked?

Other than that, the eBay prices will surely go up, at least to the point right below the cost of buying from ATT.

Matt
07-10-2007, 07:33 AM
Okay.

but who of you would get one to use on TMo?

I wouldn't No tethering and no custom ringtones ruins it for me.

luiswtf
07-10-2007, 05:57 PM
I think that's stupid and pointless. If people wanted an iPhone that bad, why not just switch to AT&T.

Also, even if unlocked, like the article says, some features wouldn't work.

Tom_in_AZ
07-14-2007, 07:37 AM
T-Mobile is supposed to be releasing the iPhone in Germany. AT&T/Cingulair's grip is only a US based exclusive re-sell agreement for 5 years. It doesn't stop a German T-Mobile iPhone from traveling here to the States and being used.

darkjedi
07-14-2007, 09:20 AM
I tell you this, if it goes unlocked I'll get it just to spite the rest of the grinning mindless morons who stood in line to buy this at the very moment it came out. I'll hold it up high and say haha, I got this bad boy on ebay and its unlocked!!! Kiss my arse!!

Matt
07-14-2007, 10:25 AM
^I was at a coffee shop here last week while they were residing my house, and there was a guy with an iPhone, and boy was he proud of it. Showing it off to random people. He showed it to me, and I said "Yeah I have seen. It's okay." He then wandered off to find someone who would go goo goo gah gah over. I swear I wanted so bad to smack him.

darkjedi
07-14-2007, 10:33 AM
^I was at a coffee shop here last week while they were residing my house, and there was a guy with an iPhone, and boy was he proud of it. Showing it off to random people. He showed it to me, and I said "Yeah I have seen. It's okay." He then wandered off to find someone who would go goo goo gah gah over. I swear I wanted to bad to smack him.

Well see I wouldn't be that guy, I'd be the guy who he came up too trying to show off and I'd pull it out be like "BAM!" whose big man now...he'd sulk away not feeling so important anymore and it would be awesome.

terryjohnson16
07-14-2007, 10:45 AM
I would be like so what. I want to see how many of those people that switched from other carriers either by paying the ETF, or just by switching, and down in less than a year start to experience dropped calls and other crap from AT&T and want out of their contract.

Plus, imagine having the I-phone from Germany if it has 3G, and then having it here and someone says "How did you get a T-Mobile I-phone. I thought it was only for AT&T."

redwildebeast
07-14-2007, 11:06 AM
yeah id just pull out my dash, start up contra or mike tyson's punch out and say "why does my $100 phone do that and your $600 phone doesnt?" and walk off.

Matt
07-14-2007, 11:47 AM
Well, I did ask him what custom ringtones he had on it. To which he replied "None yet."

redwildebeast
07-14-2007, 01:24 PM
haha "yet"

~Evil~|~Steg~
07-14-2007, 08:29 PM
lol... the iphone is a nice concept, but i agree with what everyone here is saying. its like before when vista came out, the nerds at best buy were like im using a bootleg of vista, and im like so... i run linux, am i supposed to be impressed. Then that big nerdy grin dissappears from their face.. lol to funny... i guess the way i look and then the fact someone the way i look runs linux, kinda intimidated them, cause whenever i go into best buy now, the nerds avoid me like the plague. i wouldnt mind having an iphone, not because its an iphone, but because its got a few kool features that id use. i been thinking about getting a sidekick possibly or a linux smartfone even better yet...

greenblood
07-14-2007, 09:01 PM
Well, I did ask him what custom ringtones he had on it. To which he replied "None yet."

I have my own cut of tone of Scottish/Irish bagpipe sound, sounds awesome, and it draws everybody attention
it's way better than tone of iPhone of course
I asked some iPhone users how they like it, they just answered "cool", but how cool?
nobody could answer

dsigma6
07-16-2007, 06:25 AM
yeah id just pull out my dash, start up contra or mike tyson's punch out and say "why does my $100 phone do that and your $600 phone doesnt?" and walk off.
That's pretty much what I did to a guy at the bar the 1st Saturday after the iPhone came out. I told him I had 300-something NES games and he was amazed (even though it's not THAT big of a deal, but he CAN'T have it!)

illutionz
07-16-2007, 02:34 PM
My E61i unlocked can do everything iPhone can do... minus the touch screen and 200 dollars LESS than iPhone... :D and with our beloved T-Mobile plan, I can get a way way cheaper monthly bill with also unlimited data :rolleyes:
What more do I want?

Alex
07-16-2007, 03:50 PM
Ok...so my friends and I were at the mall the day after the iPhone came out. I walked into the Apple store with my friend Josh. Not within two seconds I hear..."Hey man...have you checked out the new iPhone? It's awesome!"

Here's our conversation:

Clerk: Hey man...have you checked out the new iPhone? It's awesome!

Me: No it isn't. I can tell you several reasons why it's not worth the price.

Clerk: What do you think is wrong with it?

Me: First, it doesn't have video. Second, no flash or auto zoom. Third, the battery is not removable. This means that if my battery dies I'll have to be without a phone for 3-4 days usually unless I want to pay for an iPhone rental to get a loaner. Fourth, it's the 1st generation and we all know how many problems the first generation iPod had. Fifth, I'd have to quite T-Mobile which I am very happy with and switch to AT&T. AT&T has really crappy service in Colorado and is way overpriced. Sixth, the iPhone doesn't even have 3G. What's up with that? Seventh, for $500-600 it should have all the features I have just listed that it's missing. Eighth, by the time you add the AT&T cell phone plan into the mix, the phone will really cost me $2,500 a year.

Clerk: But the user interface is wicked cool.

Me: And? Don't get me wrong, I love Apple products but I think the iPhone is a waste of money. But hey, if you want are REALLY that concerned about me not having an iPhone, give me $600 and I'll buy one.

Clerk: Hey, I would if I could afford it.

illutionz
07-16-2007, 03:53 PM
The only selling points for the current gen iPhone is the user interface...

darkjedi
07-16-2007, 03:59 PM
The only selling points for the current gen iPhone is the user interface...

Well said and welcome to the forum!!

greenblood
07-16-2007, 05:45 PM
Ok...so my friends and I were at the mall the day after the iPhone came out. I walked into the Apple store with my friend Josh. Not within two seconds I hear..."Hey man...have you checked out the new iPhone? It's awesome!"

Here's our conversation:

Clerk: Hey man...have you checked out the new iPhone? It's awesome!

Me: No it isn't. I can tell you several reasons why it's not worth the price.

Clerk: What do you think is wrong with it?

Me: First, it doesn't have video. Second, no flash or auto zoom. Third, the battery is not removable. This means that if my battery dies I'll have to be without a phone for 3-4 days usually unless I want to pay for an iPhone rental to get a loaner. Fourth, it's the 1st generation and we all know how many problems the first generation iPod had. Fifth, I'd have to quite T-Mobile which I am very happy with and switch to AT&T. AT&T has really crappy service in Colorado and is way overpriced. Sixth, the iPhone doesn't even have 3G. What's up with that? Seventh, for $500-600 it should have all the features I have just listed that it's missing. Eighth, by the time you add the AT&T cell phone plan into the mix, the phone will really cost me $2,500 a year.

Clerk: But the user interface is wicked cool.

Me: And? Don't get me wrong, I love Apple products but I think the iPhone is a waste of money. But hey, if you want are REALLY that concerned about me not having an iPhone, give me $600 and I'll buy one.

Clerk: Hey, I would if I could afford it.

I'd rather to buy PS3 than iPhone, at least I can transfer PSX game to PSP format, and go mobile (I have FF1-7, and 9, Chrono Trigger, Legends of Dragoon, Breath of Fire 3 and 4...)