Unconfirmed: T-Mobile HotSpot @Home Launches June 27

[chokaay]

Unconfirmed: T-Mobile HotSpot @Home Launches June 27

"Our T-Mobile informant's just tipped us off to the updated release date for T-Mobile's HotSpot @Home service. T-Mobile plans to roll out the service for all retail, online, VAR, Telesales, and Retail Partner Sales on June 27, which means you can get your own unit that Wednesday.

For the uninitiated, T-Mobile @Home is a home Wi-Fi/Cellular router that routes your cellphone calls through your internet connection to T-Mobile and out to wherever you're dialing. It's useful for people who live in No Man's Land and can't get reception inside their houses. Also, when you're on Wi-Fi you don't use your cell minutes. – Jason Chen

Thanks Tipster!"


Source: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/voip/unconfirmed-t+mobile-hotspot-home-launches-june-27-268626.php


EDIT: For those of you that are wondering what "@Home" is or how it works, go here:

T-Mobile HotSpot @Home (http://www.theonlyphoneyouneed.com/)
(www.TheOnlyPhoneYouNeed.com)

[CSI_Nut]

This may be an incredibly stupid question because I'm not sure how this works, but will this possibly work with a prepaid TMo phone?

[chokaay]

This may be an incredibly stupid question because I'm not sure how this works, but will this possibly work with a prepaid TMo phone?

I don't think so. I think it's only supposed to work with prepaid accounts that have the add-on, a T-mo UMA-enabled cell phone, and a wireless router (doesn't seem to have to be T-mo specific though).

[greenblood]

it's like wireless voip, but use your mobile number instead

[Nwahs]

This is great to know! I'm glad we have somewhat of a concrete date now. I can't wait to see if it takes off when it hits the market or not.

[chokaay]

EDIT: For those of you that are wondering what "@Home" is or how it works, go here:

T-Mobile HotSpot @Home (http://www.theonlyphoneyouneed.com/)
(www.TheOnlyPhoneYouNeed.com)

[darkjedi]

I can confirm this date as correct. The soft launch for employees was yesterday as there were events across the nation for reps chosen at random to go to an "event" and receive specific training on this service.

You will see this on the 27th. You need the RIGHT device and as of this point its going to be a nokia or a samsung option neither phone is available in stores.

[greenblood]

you'll have 4 phones of choice
samsung T409, T709
nokia 6086, 6136

[cesarrri12]

how much will it cost

[chokaay]

how much will it cost


Not sure yet. Some people say $19.99/mo, others say it's free (except for buying the phone and router... although I somehow doubt this). Looks like we'll have to wait until the 27th to find out... :confused:

[darkjedi]

Not sure yet. Some people say $19.99/mo, others say it's free (except for buying the phone and router... although I somehow doubt this). Looks like we'll have to wait until the 27th to find out... :confused:

19.99 a month is correct. Plus equipment. Its not bad considering the offering of unlimited calling from home though. 15 mile range. Thats not a bad deal, could lead at least SOME people to do away with their landlines all together.

[anfrey]

i don't have a land line as is...

[darkjedi]

The entire principle behind this is to expand one of T-mobile's big 5 goals for this year.

Thats to give unrivaled in home coverage and this is the way T-mobile can piggyback on already existing networks and use them to a distinct advantage. While its T-mobile at home, there is nothing to prevent this from being used at an office, or somewhere else with pre-existing wifi. While the phone selection right now will be fairly basic as far as gizmos expect more and more offerings of the PDA sort to come through soon.

The benefits to this service start as simple as battery life and end with unlimited calling for up to a 15 mile radius from a router. In my case that means I can set my base station at home and have unlimited calling at work, at my gym, at a good deal of the restaurants I eat at. Its a hell of a deal. Of course I already won a router and a phone so whose complaining!

[clock3687]

thats sweet i cant wait considering the service isnt so great at my apartment. i heard that if you dont want to pay an extra $20 for the service that it will just use your plan minutes if your connected to wifi. that would be fine with me cause most of my calls are taken care of with myFaves and nights and weekends. Can anyone confirnm this?

[chokaay]

thats sweet i cant wait considering the service isnt so great at my apartment. i heard that if you dont want to pay an extra $20 for the service that it will just use your plan minutes if your connected to wifi. that would be fine with me cause most of my calls are taken care of with myFaves and nights and weekends. Can anyone confirnm this?


THAT actually would be pretty cool! What would be even cooler is if ANY WiFi call (whether its from your router or anyone else's wireless router) is UNLIMITED and FREE ROAMING (when out of the country)! :D

And DarkJedi, what do you mean 15 miles from the router? Does that mean your phone can transmit and receive up to 15 miles from your wireless router at home??? That's a HUGE range for a simple everyday router!!! :eek:

[Nwahs]

thats sweet i cant wait considering the service isnt so great at my apartment. i heard that if you dont want to pay an extra $20 for the service that it will just use your plan minutes if your connected to wifi. that would be fine with me cause most of my calls are taken care of with myFaves and nights and weekends. Can anyone confirnm this?

From all the info, and beta testers that we have talked to, I can confirm this to the best of my knowledge. It sounds like
1. If you DO have a plan, all minutes on the router are unlimited, and do not come from your minute bucket
2. If you DO NOT have a plan, you can still use the router and get 5 bars, but the minutes will come out of your minute bucket (except for night/weekend and mobile to mobile if you have it)

[darkjedi]

THAT actually would be pretty cool! What would be even cooler is if ANY WiFi call (whether its from your router or anyone else's wireless router) is UNLIMITED and FREE ROAMING (when out of the country)! :D

And DarkJedi, what do you mean 15 miles from the router? Does that mean your phone can transmit and receive up to 15 miles from your wireless router at home??? That's a HUGE range for a simple everyday router!!! :eek:

That is correct. 15 miles from the router will maintain the unlimited call capacity.

[Nwahs]

No offense...and take into consideration that I know very little about wireless routers, but is this possible? I know a computer on a wireless router can't go more then 100 yards away usually...and the battery on those are much bigger then a cell phone, so a cell phone can really use the router for up to 15 miles?

[darkjedi]

No offense...and take into consideration that I know very little about wireless routers, but is this possible? I know a computer on a wireless router can't go more then 100 yards away usually...and the battery on those are much bigger then a cell phone, so a cell phone can really use the router for up to 15 miles?

So says our training material. No offense taken, I wouldn't be quoting this information if it wasn't told me to in various sources and from various places. Keep in mind the call doesn't have to hold the router, the call will maintain from the network, but within a particular radius its going to be counted as if its based from the router. Perhaps it the T-mobile way of enticing the service even more.

I'll double and triple check this info today.

[anfrey]

15 miles.. that sounds awful similar to the range of a microwave signal.... but microwave communication is usually directional... not sure how they're gonna get a 15 mile broadcast radius

[darkjedi]

I can confirm the equipment, ALL equipment, routers and phones as well as store demos arrived in the store today. I have yet to really play with the phones and I'll probably wait until I put up the demo to give it a good try but rest assured the day draws near.

Still waiting to confirm my 15 mile radius.

[anfrey]

i'm very curious what frequency waves are being used to achieve this 15 mile radius

[Nwahs]

So says our training material. No offense taken, I wouldn't be quoting this information if it wasn't told me to in various sources and from various places. Keep in mind the call doesn't have to hold the router, the call will maintain from the network, but within a particular radius its going to be counted as if its based from the router. Perhaps it the T-mobile way of enticing the service even more.

I'll double and triple check this info today.

Alright, thanks for the clarification. I was just confused as to how the router and phone were going to be in contact for 15 miles, using a similar wave to bluetooth (as from what I hear the bluetooth waves, and UMA waves interfere w/ eachother) but I understand what your saying. Thanks

Looking forward to your updates of the new service!

[darkjedi]

Alright, thanks for the clarification. I was just confused as to how the router and phone were going to be in contact for 15 miles, using a similar wave to bluetooth (as from what I hear the bluetooth waves, and UMA waves interfere w/ eachother) but I understand what your saying. Thanks

Looking forward to your updates of the new service!

I'm going to be alone for most of the morning in my store but when I have a co-worker come in I'm going to make it my mission to find out the distance from the base that one can go with it still being counted as unlimited minutes.

Now its going to annoy me until I figure out if I am right or crazy or both!

[darkjedi]

5 miles confirmation. I have 5 miles assured confirmation before you leave the maximum distance for the router and start dipping into your minutes buckets.

[SoMuch2S@y]

They must've made some DRASTIC improvements from the capabilities it showed in the Beta Testing to get 5 miles, let alone 1 mile! I guess we'll see what the real results are in a couple of days!

[SoMuch2S@y]

Ahh, nevermind, just read Jedi's post:
Keep in mind the call doesn't have to hold the router, the call will maintain from the network, but within a particular radius its going to be counted as if its based from the router.

I still don't have much faith in the call quality though...

[joedagook]

T-Mobile Hotspots is premiering June 27th.

this will include 2 routers you can use (D-Link? and Linksys)

and two phones are premiering with it as well (Samsung and Nokia Series)
note: hotspot is only supported by these two phones as of now.

I forgot the model #s, but when I remember them I'll update.

Hotspot will use the wireless signal in your home to give you unlimited calling anywhere you sustain the wireless connection. When you leave your wireless network, itll automatically convert to the GPRS/GSM network and back to wireless when you're back in. (wireless network to wireless network transfer is not supported, neither is roaming)

it will be a $19.99 add-on feature.

edit: it seems a similar post was created before already.
admin: please do whatever needed with this post, if deemed unnecessary, please delete.

[tmobilefan]

Will the T-Mobile site be updated at 12:00 AM with the new phones and the new plan?

[darkjedi]

T-Mobile Hotspots is premiering June 27th.

this will include 2 routers you can use (D-Link? and Linksys)

and two phones are premiering with it as well (Samsung and Nokia Series)
note: hotspot is only supported by these two phones as of now.

I forgot the model #s, but when I remember them I'll update.

Hotspot will use the wireless signal in your home to give you unlimited calling anywhere you sustain the wireless connection. When you leave your wireless network, itll automatically convert to the GPRS/GSM network and back to wireless when you're back in. (wireless network to wireless network transfer is not supported, neither is roaming)

it will be a $19.99 add-on feature.

edit: it seems a similar post was created before already.
admin: please do whatever needed with this post, if deemed unnecessary, please delete.

For the moment its promotional pricing, 9.99 for individuals and 19.99 for family lines

[terryjohnson16]

They need to launch more phones with the launch. The thing is that, I wonder how will this do, for people who have great indoor and outdoor coverage in the metro cities.

[darkjedi]

They need to launch more phones with the launch. The thing is that, I wonder how will this do, for people who have great indoor and outdoor coverage in the metro cities.

This is something all carriers will have, I've seen the launch plans for Sprint and ATT. This is not a concept specific to T-mobile and while they are ahead of the game on this aspect, I can't imagine if its successful that other carriers won't speed up their launch to try and cut into the market.

[joedagook]

Well, we've prepped our stores and we're ready to see the launch happen.

oh and darkjedi, thanks for the clarification in terms of promotional pricing.

There seems to be some confusion amongst consumers that in order for the samsung or nokia phone to use the wifi-signal for phone calls, hotspot plan must be added onto your account.

this is not true. hotspot is an addon to give your wifi-based calls, unlimited calling without being charged from your minutes bucket. if you dont have a hotspot plan, but have a hotspot phone, you can still connect to the wifi and use it for calls, itll just deduct from your minutes rate plan.

btw, the nokia 6086 phone premiering with the hotspots wifi capability has a bit more features than the samsung t409 phone for the same promotional price of either of the two (49.99) (nokia has music capability and media card slot, samsung does not)

also, although any router may work with any wifi-enabled hotspot phone, the linksys and belkin routers that t-mobile provides are "tweaked for longer battery life and better phone-sound quality." (says my manager and the nokia rep that came by my store today).

[terryjohnson16]

I don't know why Nokia put a VGA camera in the 6086. Which one has better battery life, and the better screen resolution? I know Samsung likes to put nice screen resolution in their phone displays, while Nokia keeps that wack crap on their low end phones, while their high end phones have nice displays.

[terryjohnson16]

T-Mobile phones to ride wireless router - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070627/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_wi_fi_phone;_ylt=AmxLro5yAzXnEl.CDclCcHC SxLEF)


By PETER SVENSSON, AP Technology Writer 30 minutes ago

NEW YORK - Wouldn't it be great to have your own cellular tower at home? You'd always have a strong signal on your mobile phone, and you wouldn't be paying to use the carrier's network.

It sounds like a pie-in-the-sky idea, but it's actually the gist of what T-Mobile USA is rolling out Wednesday: the option to use your Wi-Fi router instead of the cellular network on two new T-Mobile phones.

I tried out the system for a few weeks, and found it worked well. For those who have poor reception in their homes and would like to drop their landline, T-Mobile HotSpot AtHome appears be a good choice. For others, I'm not sure the extra cost is worth it, particularly since T-Mobile's long-term pricing isn't clear.

This isn't like having a cell phone that also happens to work as a cordless phone. You have the same number, whether you're on Wi-Fi or cellular. And in an engineering feat, the new phones will hand over calls that are already in progress from Wi-Fi to the cellular network if you leave the hotspot, so you can start a call at home and then keep talking as you walk out.

Even Apple Inc.'s much vaunted iPhone, launching on Friday, doesn't do that, even though it has built-in Wi-Fi, providing a great opportunity to take the presumably proud new owners down a notch. ("So how much did your iPhone cost again? And it can't do seamless handover between Wi-Fi and cellular?")

T-Mobile's phones also automatically connect to the company's 8,500 commercial hotspots in the U.S., including many Starbucks locations.

The technology behind the service is known as UMA, or Unlicensed Mobile Access, and has broad support among cell-phone manufacturers, so we can expect to see more of it. European carriers are already using it. T-Mobile is the first major U.S. carrier to get on board, after trying it out in the Seattle area since October. Cincinnati Bell launched a similar service last month.

I tested the cellular-to-Wi-Fi handover a dozen times, and now and then noticed a momentary audio drop-off. One call was apparently dropped at handover, but it seems acceptable to have that happen occasionally.

There was no noticeable difference in sound quality between the two wireless technologies, an impressive result considering the often spotty audio yielded by other services that use broadband connections for phone calls. UMA is clearly quite different from standard Voice over Internet Protocol, or VoIP.

The new phones, the Nokia 6086 and Samsung t409, cost $50 with a two-year contract and a calling plan that costs at least $40 month (but remember that taxes and other fees bring the actual cost closer to $50). They're unremarkable camera phones. I tested the Nokia, which was solid, but has rather poor audio quality overall.

Unlimited free calling on Wi-Fi then costs an extra $10 a month for a single line, or $20 for a family plan with up to five lines. Those are, however, promotional offers. The regular price for each plan is $10 higher. The company hasn't said how long the promotional offers will extend, but if you sign up at the lower price, you get to keep it.

The phones will connect to any Wi-Fi router, but for your home, T-Mobile recommends either of two routers it's providing for free, after a $50 rebate. The one I tested was a modification of the Linksys WRT54G. That's a popular model, but setup was a hassle, as it usually is for routers, with a misleading manual and installation software that didn't work.

The company says the payoff for using its router is threefold:

• It gives calls higher priority, so if you have a computer download going at the same time, your call won't be affected. I'm not sure how great this benefit is. I used the Nokia phone on my own router while using the computer and didn't notice a problem. The phone's bandwidth demand is quite small.

• It has a button that will allow the phone to connect to an encrypted router without typing in the Wi-Fi password. This is a great feature. Strangely, I couldn't find any documentation, and had to call the company to learn how to use it, but T-Mobile will no doubt straighten this out and update its manual.

• It quadruples the phone's battery life. I wasn't able to stringently test this claim, but it's clear that even without the T-Mobile router, the Nokia phone did quite well. Wi-Fi is much more power-intensive than cellular, and I've tested phones before that used only Wi-Fi and generally went dead after 24 hours on standby. The Nokia phone ran for about two days in mixed cellular and Wi-Fi use with my own router, and three days with the T-Mobile router.

T-Mobile says the phone has up to a week of standby time on cellular, and up to three days on Wi-Fi.

At the promotional price of $10 a month for a single line, I think this is a reasonable value if your home coverage is spotty. T-Mobile, a rather distant fourth in wireless subscriber numbers in the U.S., doesn't have the most extensive network.

The free unlimited calls on Wi-Fi are a nice bonus, but most of T-Mobile's plans already provide free calls on nights and weekends or free calls to your five favorite numbers, so the actual savings are likely to be small. However, you can increase your savings by using a tip I gleaned from the company: If you start your call on Wi-Fi and then head out onto the cellular network, the whole call is free.

The regular price of $20 a month seems high, especially since you'd be paying T-Mobile to use your own broadband connection for calling, taking the load off T-Mobile's cellular network.

If you already have enough minutes on your cellular plan, what you can do is this: Buy one of the UMA phones, but don't sign up for the monthly Wi-Fi add-on. You'll be able to place calls over Wi-Fi, but they will be counted toward your monthly plan just like cellular calls. Use your own router — you won't get the rebate that makes the T-Mobile router free if you don't get the Wi-Fi add-on.

UMA could be a real money saver if T-Mobile would combine free Wi-Fi calling with prepaid cellular — the company has cheap rates for low-volume callers.

T-Mobile has gotten a tricky technology to work here. The fact that it doesn't work optimally with regular routers is perhaps its greatest weakness, but by no means a large one.

___

On the Net:

Unsupported Browser (http://www.t-mobile.com)

[terryjohnson16]

T-Mobile goes national with HotSpot @Home WiFi calling - Engadget Mobile (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/06/27/t-mobile-goes-national-with-hotspot-home-wifi-calling/)

Following a limited launch last year in its hometown of Seattle, T-Mobile's finally pulling all the stops and taking its "HotSpot @Home" hybrid GSM / WiFi calling service national. A first among the US' big four carriers, @Home relies on traditional cell airwaves out in the field but switches seamlessly to WiFi when it gets within range of a T-Mobile hotspot or any other wireless router you've configured your phone to latch onto. For the millions of us with less-than-stellar reception in our homes, the service could be a life-saver -- and even better, WiFi minutes aren't deducted from your plan. Launch handsets are the Nokia 6086 and Samsung t409, both of which will go out the door for $49.99 on contract and include a Linksys or D-Link router -- both specially designed for @Home service -- for free after rebate, though any 802.11b access point should work. The service itself will run $9.99 per month on individual and $19.99 on family plans for up to five handsets. Look for the equipment today in T-Mobile stores and on the carrier's website.

[terryjohnson16]

Here is phonescoop's trial review of the new Hotspots@home service:
T-Mobile HotSpot @Home Review (Phone Scoop) (http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/tmo_hotspot_at_home/)

[darkjedi]

I agree with gizmodo that this just may be too little to late. We're excited because this is our carrier and we want to see good things happen. I agree that this service has a monster benefit with improving indoor reception, but I'd rather see the money get spent on towers providing better wireless based service. Part of T-mobiles big 5 goals this year internally is to improve reception in non-metro areas, so do it.

PC mag reviewed it and while Sascha gave a review that was not stellar the overall view seemed to be once the details are ironed out the service could be a goldmine. I hope it pays off for all of us because if it doesn't, and we start wondering why no new phones are coming out, we'll know why.

[terryjohnson16]

I agree with gizmodo that this just may be too little to late. We're excited because this is our carrier and we want to see good things happen. I agree that this service has a monster benefit with improving indoor reception, but I'd rather see the money get spent on towers providing better wireless based service. Part of T-mobiles big 5 goals this year internally is to improve reception in non-metro areas, so do it.

PC mag reviewed it and while Sascha gave a review that was not stellar the overall view seemed to be once the details are ironed out the service could be a goldmine. I hope it pays off for all of us because if it doesn't, and we start wondering why no new phones are coming out, we'll know why.

Yeah, but they claim to want to provide coverage in non-metro areas, yet they don't have any 850MHz licenses to do that. Unless they actually start putting up more towers in areas that don't have them, in places where they know they have spectrum to use it there.

They better gobble up Suncom, Dobson, Alltel GSM, and some other's to get coverage in more places that Cingular offer's coverage. If they do this, people will come to T-Mobile since they will be assured to have coverage in rural areas.

[Railroader]

It's the 27th, and I don't see anything about it on T-Mobile's site, and the thonlyphoneyouneed site looks the same. Maybe they'll update the site today, I am 70 miles from the nearest T-Mobile store, so I'll wait on that ;)

[darkjedi]

It's the 27th, and I don't see anything about it on T-Mobile's site, and the thonlyphoneyouneed site looks the same. Maybe they'll update the site today, I am 70 miles from the nearest T-Mobile store, so I'll wait on that ;)

Well I have my T-shirt and my robe at the ready...


Terry, a goal of the company this one was to place 2500 more towers in areas of non-metro status to provide customers with coverage in areas that previously were poor coverage areas or no coverage areas. It is my esteemed point of view that this should be a continual focus instead of things like hotspot at home.

Yes granted, this is a good idea but other great ideas have failed to meet the standards set forth by the consumer. Will this help people in office settings or customers in poor coverage areas? Sure. Will this convince me to drop a land line? Not at all as I already receive full bars inside my house. Is the ten dollars or eventual 20 dollars a month spent on this service going to convince me to lower my rate plan, buy a new phone and start using an unproven service, not a chance? I already choose a rate plan based on my usage and I think just about every other wireless customer does the same. I really don't see how this will warm the masses into buying new equipment, (my faves all over again). I'm optimistic and while I love the idea I'm just saying I wish the money was spent elsewhere.

[jdmchico]

I'll updating and adding the catalog & papers offered at store later on today scanned in PDF format for everyone to read. 9.99/*19.99 Indv. Plans w/ Voice plan, family 19.99/*29.99 up to five lines.

[redwildebeast]

yeah UPS just dropped off all our phones and routers for the @home service.

[darkjedi]

No sales whatsoever so far in my entire district.

[redwildebeast]

yeah it would help if t-mo would actually promote new services BEFORE they are launched like all the other carriers do.

[darkjedi]

yeah it would help if t-mo would actually promote new services BEFORE they are launched like all the other carriers do.

It would help if they had phones that were um like actually cool.

[redwildebeast]

yeah that too. more will come soon enough tho.

[CSI_Nut]

It would help if they had phones that were um like actually cool.

Cool wouldn't matter to me - if they packaged a WiFi deal for prepaid customers, I'd bite.

[tmobilefan]

Cool wouldn't matter to me - if they packaged a WiFi deal for prepaid customers, I'd bite.

If they had WiFi for prepaid I would probably get it!:)

[terryjohnson16]

Imagine if people buy these UMA phones, and are able to use the phones like crazy without using any minutes.

[chokaay]

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!! :D:D:D


CONFIRMED: T-MOBILE ALLOWS @HOME USAGE (WiFi/UMA calling) FROM FOREIGN COUNTRIES FOR FREE*!!! (http://www.t-mobilesignal.com/forum/5373-post4.html)


*NOTE: All @Home (WiFi/UMA) calls initiated anywhere in the world will be billed as if it originated within the U.S.A. NO International Roaming fees will be billed! If you call the U.S., then you will use your Unlimited N&W (if applicable), Unlimited M2M (if applicable), and Anytime Minutes (during peak times based in the U.S.). If you call a foreign number, then International Calling Fees WILL be billed (but NOT International Roaming if you make the call outside of the U.S.). Adding $9.99-$19.99/mo for the @Home Add-On will grant you UNLIMITED @HOME CALLING anytime to any U.S.-based number (will not count against your Anytime Minutes).

[fishsticks]

you'll have 4 phones of choice
samsung T409, T709
nokia 6086, 6136

Ok, think we have a couple of people mixing up the services. There are 2 'Hot Spot' services, 1 is the Hot spot mobile - UMA where you can use your UMA or wi-fi enabled handset on your home WiFi or any open wifi (starbucks etc) and then there's the Hot Spot Home service which replaces your land line. With the home service you can keep your existing home number, use your 5ghz+ cordless home phone and get unlimited nationwide calling (thats anywhere in the USA), true caller ID (name and number), free voicemail, all for $9.99 a month. The catch? um, none really. You'll have to buy the special router, in store it'll run you $49 on a 2yr, through T-Mobile cust care, $49 with a 1yr ;) (the system phone reps use can't accept a 2yr for the router) You do need an existing internet connection, at least 75kbps but the lines are crystal clear and more importantly WAY cheaper than vonage!

[wralford]

I can confirm this date as correct. The soft launch for employees was yesterday as there were events across the nation for reps chosen at random to go to an "event" and receive specific training on this service.

You will see this on the 27th. You need the RIGHT device and as of this point its going to be a nokia or a samsung option neither phone is available in stores.The reps have been telling me July 2.

[kinjutsu11]

Its a soft launch on the 27th, my stores are all ready selling them. All channels will have it on the 2nd of July, which is the official launch.

And, technically there are 3 hotspot services that confuse everyone.
Hotspot - Wifi Web browsing - Shadow, Dash, Wing, etc
T-Mobile @Home (or Hotspot @Home, or Talk Forever Home) - Home land line for $10, unlimited nationwide calling, landline features (True CallerID, etc)
Talk Forever Mobile - using your cell phone to make calls over a WiFi connection (Nokia 6301, 6086, Samsung t409, Curve, etc)

Just wanted to clarify if there is still confusion.