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j__1
10-22-2007, 12:43 AM
Full Article: Is There Anything Good About Men (http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~baumeistertice/goodaboutmen.htm)

Is There Anything Good About Men?

Roy F. Baumeister

Contact: R. Baumeister, Eppes Eminent Professor of Psychology & Head of Social Psychology Area, Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL 32306, Baumeister@psy.fsu.edu, phone 850-264-8792. Note, I will be out of the country July 3-31 except for the night of July 17-18.


You’re probably thinking that a talk called “Is there anything good about men” will be a short talk! Recent writings have not had much good to say about men. Titles like “Men Are Not Cost Effective” speak for themselves. Maureen Dowd’s book was called “Are Men Necessary?” and although she never gave an explicit answer, anyone reading the book knows her answer was no. Brizendine’s book “The Female Brain” introduces itself by saying, “Men, get ready to experience brain envy.” Imagine a book advertising itself by saying that women will soon be envying the superior male brain!

Nor are these isolated examples. Eagly’s research has compiled mountains of data on the stereotypes people have about men and women, which the researchers summarized as “The WAW effect.” WAW stands for “Women Are Wonderful.” Both men and women hold much more favorable views of women than of men. Almost everybody likes women better than men. I certainly do.

My purpose in this talk is not to try to balance this out by praising men, though along the way I will have various positive things to say about both genders. The question of whether there’s anything good about men is only my point of departure. The tentative title of the book I’m writing is “How culture exploits men,” but even that for me is the lead-in to grand questions about how culture shapes action. In that context, what’s good about men means what men are good for, from the perspective of the system.

Hence this is not about the “battle of the sexes,” and in fact I think one unfortunate legacy of feminism has been the idea that men and women are basically enemies. I shall suggest, instead, that most often men and women have been partners, supporting each other rather than exploiting or manipulating each other.
Nor is this about trying to argue that men should be regarded as victims. I detest the whole idea of competing to be victims. And I’m certainly not denying that culture has exploited women. But rather than seeing culture as patriarchy, which is to say a conspiracy by men to exploit women, I think it’s more accurate to understand culture (e.g., a country, a religion) as an abstract system that competes against rival systems — and that uses both men and women, often in different ways, to advance its cause.

Also I think it’s best to avoid value judgments as much as possible. They have made discussion of gender politics very difficult and sensitive, thereby warping the play of ideas. I have no conclusions to present about what’s good or bad or how the world should change. In fact my own theory is built around tradeoffs, so that whenever there is something good it is tied to something else that is bad, and they balance out.
I don’t want to be on anybody’s side. Gender warriors please go home.

Full Article: Is There Anything Good About Men (http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~baumeistertice/goodaboutmen.htm)

secrecyguy
10-22-2007, 06:50 AM
This article is too long and I am not going to bother reading the whole thing. I am surprise it is written by a guy.

Women or ladies want to complain about guys than I have lots of things to complain about women or ladies living in U.S.

It got to the point that I think I am better off finding someone in another country than trying to go for someone living in U.S.

It seems to me that 95% of the women are only going after one or two things in guys.

What is it you may ask?

Someone with a Bachler's degree or higher and/or someone who have lots of money.

You think I am wrong about that?

I don't think so.

I join two online dating service in the past and guess what I found out about all the girls on the dating site?

They are looking for guys with bachler's degrees and/or someone with lots of money.

Another thing I found out is the 4 x-girlfriends I had in the past, 2 of them used to be bisexual, 1 of them think she is, and another is in denial about being a lesbian.

Is it a good thing or a bad thing? I don't know.

I really have no idea why you post this article up here. Maybe you want to bash guys or something. If I was a moderator here, I will delete this or lock it.

Ellen
10-22-2007, 08:05 AM
If I was a moderator here, I will delete this or lock it.

The staff at T-MobileSignal does not want to close or delete threads. And will do our best to allow this discussion to continue here, as long as it is done in a friendly and respectful manner, and as always, within the guidelines of the forum rules: http://www.t-mobilesignal.com/forum/f235/political-touchy-discussions-forum-rules-1849.html :cool:

j__1
10-22-2007, 05:34 PM
I really have no idea why you post this article up here. Maybe you want to bash guys or something. If I was a moderator here, I will delete this or lock it.Actually, if you took a moment to read just a piece of the article... you may find it actually defends us guys a bit.

Furthermore, it discusses feminism and how society in the US may have gone a tad too far as it relates to 'bashing' men.

Basically, I posted it here because it is a good read. If you have 5 minutes, I'd suggest it to anyone.

darkjedi
10-22-2007, 06:50 PM
While I can understand the heat this article may bring down, articles like this are rather common these days as the battle of the sexes continues. Certainly, we can all understand that this is taking a forefront position in the press as Hillary Clinton battles for the White House. This country has resisted the idea of a female President since its inception and while you may or may not like Hillary politically, she arguably is the strongest female contender for the top job in our nations history. That being said, I usually like to peruse articles like this because while I take them with a grain of salt there is always one sentence or paragraph that rings so absolutely true it sticks with me.

Yes its long, yes maybe this isn't the appropriate forum for the discussion but its discussion here that we want and I for one enjoy good reads on "obscure" topics.

Lok
10-22-2007, 07:14 PM
LOUD NOISES!
:D

Ellen
10-23-2007, 07:26 AM
Certainly, we can all understand that this is taking a forefront position in the press as Hillary Clinton battles for the White House. This country has resisted the idea of a female President since its inception and while you may or may not like Hillary politically, she arguably is the strongest female contender for the top job in our nations history.

I like Hillary Clinton, and think she would make a great President. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a woman either! :D

dsigma6
10-23-2007, 10:10 AM
I like Hillary Clinton, and think she would make a great President. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a woman either! :D
Yes, yes you are.

j__1
10-24-2007, 12:47 AM
I like Hillary Clinton, and think she would make a great President. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a woman either! :D
Don't know if you're joking or being serious... but in case of the latter: how would you ever know? Seriously. :D

Ellen
10-24-2007, 06:39 AM
Don't know if you're joking or being serious... but in case of the latter: how would you ever know? Seriously. :D

Don't know. I guess we're all just going to have to wait till the end, to find out. And may the best man, or woman ;) win!!! :cool:

soccerjohn
10-24-2007, 09:14 AM
It takes a man and women to keep the human race going. That makes us equal. No matter how long we "preform" in the bedroom. haha.

I'm a Republician and have this feeling that either Hilary Clinton or OBama is gonna be the next President. To me thats awesome seeing that we have never had a women president or a black president. "Times, they are a changing for Ron Burgandy.............."

secrecyguy
10-24-2007, 09:19 PM
I am a republican myself too. This definitely be an interesting election year. I think Hilary Clinton will end up being the next president.

We sure do have interesting presidents over the years though in my generation... We had Ronald Reagan (#1 actor), George Bush, Bill Clinton, George Bush (again! :D but his son though), and soon Hilary Clinton.

Another reason I think Hilary Clinton will end up winning, lots of people like her and the Bush and Clinton families are close friends.