What planet is this man on?

[Railroader]

Mandela still alive after embarrassing Bush remark - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070921/wl_nm/safrica_mandela_bush_dc) :(

[Nwahs]

You talking about what planet is Bush on I'm assuming?

[Railroader]

Yeah :)

[j__1]

Railroader: We will miss you.:jail: Let us know how Eastern Europe treats ya... :D

[Railroader]

I bet he doesn't even know where that is either lol Somebody please send him back to the village in Texas (no offense j1) who is missing him :D

[Railroader]

http://www.tiedyes.com/peacestickerimages/somewhereintexassticker_prp.jpg

:D

Seriously though, when the leader of the greatest nation on Earth doesn't even know whether Nelson Mandela, the man who overthrew apartheid and went on to be president of South Africa, is dead or alive, it makes you want to cry. Worse still, he said Saddam killed him, geez...

[j__1]

I bet he doesn't even know where that is either lol Somebody please send him back to the village in Texas (no offense j1) who is missing him :DFirst off, I'm not from Texas... I grew up in the beautiful state of Colorado. Second, he's not even from Texas... and that flippin' ranch he has vacationed on for over a year since his initial election...he bought in '99. Hell, Vicente Fox is claiming Bush is scared of horses... and we won't even get into cattle.

And it drives me nuts when I hear people like Bill Maher talking about wanting an elitist in office instead of Bush... huh? Read a book.... and then open your mouth you pandering fool. Right vs. Left? The very guy that Bush has been trying to look like, brought the "conservative right" from the other side of the fence.

We're so getting played... although I do have hope in all of these states moving their primaries up. IMO, it'll give a 3rd party a chance.... as there will be too much time for at least one to self-destruct.

I'm not looking for dramatic change... I am not a believer in central planning. I believe in the free market...



"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington

[Railroader]

We're all strong Democrats in our family (well, except for my brother, he's a repub, we still can't figure that one out lol), and have been since the 1800's, but I'd vote for somebody from a third party IF he was somebody I thought would do a good job. That said, do I think a third party has a chance of winning? Not in my lifetime. I also hope and pray Nader stays out of it, he helped us get bush :(

I believe in the free market too, to a point, I also believe it needs to be watched, and that government can be a force for good in the country (Promote the general welfare-from the Preamble to the US Constitution), like enforcing environmental laws some companies seem to care less about. I do not believe business left alone will always do what's right, well, neither will government, so we need to watch both :)

[j__1]

I believe in the free market too, to a point, I also believe it needs to be watched, and that government can be a force for good in the country, like enforcing environmental laws some companies seem to care less about. I do not believe business left alone will always do what's right, well, neither will government, so we need to watch both :)Er, the EPA gives others permits to pollute my property! That is a VIOLATION of my constitutional rights. (I'm not even going to get into property tax... aka rent.)

People got lazy... and we rely on the Federal government to solve our problems. This goes back to the dude that strung us along during the Great Depression.... with what should have been a correction, that turned into a decade of despair.

Today, both parties continue to print money like it has no value... and guess what, as time goes on, it doesn't. It is sad to hear people talk about raising minimum wage... when in actuality, cash flow, at best, increases slightly for those in the workforce, while the elderly and poor get to figure out how to live with higher prices w/o additional income. Besides this sad fact, we are surrendering our competitive advantage in a global economy.

We're in big trouble... OTOH, luckily, we are heavily investing in defensive and offensive weapons. Of course, some claim that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. I mean, just check out the other wars we have waged.

Many of our big wins have had more to do with local communities... than a select few that have no understanding of what Joe Public experiences on a day-to-day basis.

Compare Galveston, TX to New Orleans, LA....... THAT had little to do with national political parties.



"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783

[Railroader]

That "dude" was one of the best presidents ever, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and he brought us out of the depression and helped win WWII. Even somebody completely different than him in politics, Ronald Reagan admired him and thought of him as one of his heroes :) The EPA and the enviornment? Well, their two greatest enemies are in the White House, and I'll leave it at that. As to taxes, well, they're a necessary part of a civilized society, and I don't have a problem with them as long as they're used for good.

However, I was mainly stating my disgust at our president being so ignorant of the world and it's affairs, and how sad I think it is he's in charge of the US. I don't really want to get too deep into that other stuff ;)

[j__1]

That "dude" was one of the best presidents ever, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and he brought us out of the depression and helped win WWII. That's more opinion than fact, eh?. I mean, there are more than a few economists today that would more than strongly disagree. Some claim that FDR took our money, placed it into a great big pile, and burned 90%... and that he raised at least two generations that the next several will continue to pay for.

Seriously, just because he was our leader during tumultuous times, doesn't mean much beyond just that... If it was someone else, would we not have rallied behind that leader? Some would claim the same feeling of those times, landed us in Iraq, today.

Seriously, politicians are in sales... pure and simple. I've sold $20 warranties on $20 speakers, and, relatively speaking, that's nothing compared to what those in power have done.

And I have little doubt that the majority of who we elect believe they have good intentions.... my point is, simply, we, as individuals, are not as smart as we think. Inefficiencies in central planning were at the root of the USSR's challenges... i.e., elites thinking they're smarter than people that actually produce something.

Even somebody completely different than him in politics, Ronald Reagan admired him and thought of him as one of his heroes :) Reagan was a populist: of course he would reference a fellow populist. Chavez might have a few good points, too... and I hope oil revenues last forever for his country. :rolleyes:

And lets be real, Ronald certainly did his part to bring Osama and his ilk to our front door... complete with training and weapons that only we, thinking in the period of years instead of at least a lifetime, could provide. The same can be said for a nice chunk of last century. Look south, our drug war is quickly coming across the boarder... and we trained them not to play fair... whatever that means.

Future administrations could do us all a favor... and study the 18th and 19th centuries.... we need to pick our battles and trade. Trade is a beautiful thing, and trade is natural. And long-term, it is best if you don't back it up with a gun. At some point, the people will revolt if they think they're being treated unfairly. Don't take my word for it, US history has plenty of examples.

The EPA and the enviornment? Well, their two greatest enemies are in the White House, and I'll leave it at that. If you think that, I suggest you check into SUV tax credits, safety studies, and our desire to prop Detroit up. That's pandering and greed at its worst.... and that had nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans.... it had to do with GOVERNMENT as a whole, bought and paid for. They took money out of my pocket, and gave it to others to buy a big truck. Huh?

As to taxes, well, they're a necessary part of a civilized society, and I don't have a problem with them as long as they're used for good.And that's my point... if you believe that, you have no trust in your neighbor. I use this forum as an example.... with the exception of a few, there is no monetary benefit in assisting others. Personally, I think forums are more efficient than companies that employ central planning techniques. Why? IMO, motivation.

However, I was mainly stating my disgust at our president being so ignorant of the world and it's affairs, and how sad I think it is he's in charge of the US. I don't really want to get too deep into that other stuff ;)I know... and that is what scares me. Those that truly have power, own the debate, and therefore define the left and right. In this discussion, we are playing their game... and we don't even know the rules.

I'm a fan of states rights... and local leadership. Personally, I like to be able to relate to those that I hand so much power to...

All love... obviously, we won't settle this here. :D

P.S. What share of the market did Standard Oil have prior to government intervention? What was it at the time of the ruling?

AND

What does free market mean... as it relates to 20th century?






"History, in general, only informs us what bad government is."
Thomas Jefferson (1807)

[Nwahs]

I know people feel really strongly about the topic of our president, and the current politics of the United States, so just make sure the thread stays friendly

[Railroader]

No prob, I mainly just wanted to vent how sad and disgusted I was about this. I don't want to debate politics at all, I am just talking about George W. Bush as an individual.

[j__1]

No prob, I mainly just wanted to vent how sad and disgusted I was about this. I don't want to debate politics at all, I am just talking about George W. Bush as an individual.And I just wanted to vent how sad and disgusted I am about this. I don't want to debate politics at all, I'm just talking about leadership in general. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:deadhorse::apc:

[Railroader]

Please don't use my words to mock me, thanks :) If that's how it's going to be, I'll just request this thread be locked.

[j__1]

Please don't use my words to mock me, thanks :) If that's how it's going to be, I'll just request this thread be locked.Huh? I thought we were agreeing a second ago... why did you delete your last message? What happened?

[j__1]

On a positive note, my commander is in Kuwait... waiting for his ride home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:adance2:

And to be clear: :war:

[darkjedi]

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[Nwahs]

Please don't use my words to mock me, thanks :) If that's how it's going to be, I'll just request this thread be locked.

I don't think he was mocking you...I think he was agreeing. Political beliefs aside, you two definitely help contribute to the site a great deal, so lets just put that behind you...I think he meant to agree not to mock.

Huh? I thought we were agreeing a second ago... why did you delete your last message? What happened?

He was agreeing...so we're all good...

Haha anyways...I am going to lock this thread, not because of you two but because I feel like a new user would be inclined to come in here and start an argument that we don't need to take place. Users will still be able to see the whole thread and the main post...it was a good and funny post too. Thanks