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j__1
09-18-2007, 08:37 PM
Great quote: 'It's a cat-and-mouse game," says Jobs in London, "I'm not sure if we are the cat or the mouse."

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September 18, 2007 (Computerworld) (http://www.computerworld.com/) -- Apple Inc. (http://www.computerworld.com/action/inform.do?command=search&searchTerms=Apple+Inc.) CEO Steve Jobs (http://www.computerworld.com/action/inform.do?command=search&searchTerms=Steve+Jobs) said today that it's his company's job to stymie hackers who try to unlock the iPhone (http://www.computerworld.com/action/inform.do?command=search&searchTerms=Apple+iPhone) -- the first time the company has officially said it would fight attempts to use the popular device on unauthorized networks.


At a London Apple retail store where he announced the iPhone's Nov. 9 U.K. debut (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9037279), Jobs responded to a question about whether Apple would put a stop to the unlocking hacks that have mushroomed recently. "It's a cat-and-mouse game," said Jobs. "We try to stay ahead. People will try to break in, and it's our job to stop them breaking in."
In last few weeks, people have unveiled several unlock hacks that let users swap the iPhone's included SIM card with one from another cellular service provider so the phone can make calls on that carrier's network. With the iPhone limited to domestic sales until November, unlocking is the only way consumers living outside the U.S. have been able to use their phones.


Last week, the iPhone Dev Team posted a free unlocking hack (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9036359), then followed it yesterday with anySIM (http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page), an unlocking tool tucked into a graphical interface. Just a day before the iPhone Dev Team released its free hack, a group called iPhoneSIMFree began selling an unlocking tool of its own through a network of online resellers at prices ranging from $45 to $99.


Carolina Milanesi, a Gartner Inc. analyst who was at the London presentation, said she wondered if it matters much in the long run whether Apple stays a step ahead of hackers, as Jobs said it must do. "At the moment, as a consumer, you need to be very careful about unlocking the iPhone, and know how you want to use it," she said. "If you unlock it, you are not going to have a flat rate, and you will not have access to the 7,500 hot spots."

O2 Ltd., the iPhone's sole carrier in the U.K., will offer three flat-rate plans -- dubbed "tariffs" in Britain -- that range in price from $70 to $110 per month. Flat-rate plans are relatively rare in the U.K., said Milanesi. "If you unlock and then use the Internet and e-mail, you may be surprised by your first bill," she added, referring to the pay-as-you-go data rates charged by most carriers in the country and elsewhere in Europe.


O2 has struck a deal with a Wi-Fi provider called The Cloud that will give iPhone users unlimited wireless access to some 7,500 hot spots in Great Britain and Northern Ireland.


"There's a difference here, too, compared to the United States," said Milanesi. Because Apple plans to release its iPod Touch, an iPod (http://www.computerworld.com/action/inform.do?command=search&searchTerms=Apple+iPod)-cum-Internet device, in the U.K. by the end of the month, consumers will have a choice between that and the iPhone when the latter launches five weeks later.


"Now with the Touch, you have an alternative," she said. People who might have been drawn to the iPhone for its music capabilities, interface and/or its Web browsing features -- and might have used an unlocking hack so they could avoid paying a penalty when they ditched their current carrier -- could instead opt for the iPod Touch.
Jobs did not go into details on how Apple would bar hacks, but the process would presumably involve firmware updates to the iPhone, delivered via the iTunes (http://www.computerworld.com/action/inform.do?command=search&searchTerms=Apple+iTunes) software. Both of the firmware updates issued since the iPhone's U.S. debut in late June have either broken other, non-unlocking hacks, or forced users to restore the device from scratch. IPhoneSIMFree, for instance, does not guarantee that its unlocking tool will work after future firmware updates.


Keeping unlocking hacks completely at bay, though, will probably be impossible, something Jobs tacitly acknowledged when he said that while it was a cat-and-mouse game between Apple and hackers, "I'm not sure if we are the cat or the mouse."
"Jobs said that they would stay a step ahead," said Milanesi, "but that will be easier said than done."


Jonny Evans and Karen Haslam of MacWorld UK contributed to this story.

darkjedi
09-18-2007, 09:54 PM
No surprise in my eyes, this was easily foreshadowed. To think apple would sit idly by and let hackers devour the iphone was wishful thinking! Gents, get your iphones now!

Railroader
09-18-2007, 10:07 PM
As Vinnie Barbarino on "Welcome Back Kotter" would say, "Up your nose with a rubbah hose!" or "Off my case toilet face!" Steve :D

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greenblood
09-19-2007, 04:55 AM
now open source unlocker released, this is unstoppable
but this unlock greatly helps the sales

greenblood
09-21-2007, 03:49 PM
Wirelessly posted (Dell X50v and/or SE K790a: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320))

read on engadgetmobile
unlocked iPhone WILL VOID THE WARRANTY

j__1
09-21-2007, 03:57 PM
Wirelessly posted (Dell X50v and/or SE K790a: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320))

read on engadgetmobile
unlocked iPhone WILL VOID THE WARRANTYThat's what they make restore for! :) And the good news is... you won't lose any data, including contacts, SMS, call log, mail setting, etc.

I was recently in an Apple store to have a base station repaired, and besides preforming a no-history and upgrading me to a gigabit version, they were all sporting hacked iPhones. Anyway, I call that service...

On the telecom front, a customer once sent Dotson a letter questioning the lack of in-store exchange for RIM devices. He suggested that Robert stick his BlackBerry in a drawer for a few days and see how he likes it. :clap:

Mystictrust
09-24-2007, 05:35 PM
I never really saw as much "venom" in the cat and mouse game quote as apparently some of you did, but this definitely struck me as having some bite:

Apple finally weighs in on iPhone hacks, unlocking - Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/24/apple-finally-weighs-in-on-iphone-hacks-unlocking/)

That's what they make restore for!I was curious after reading the above article if that was possible and could be done, so are you saying it is?

j__1
09-24-2007, 06:01 PM
I never really saw as much "venom" in the cat and mouse game quote as apparently some of you did, but this definitely struck me as having some bite:

Apple finally weighs in on iPhone hacks, unlocking - Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/24/apple-finally-weighs-in-on-iphone-hacks-unlocking/)

I was curious after reading the above article if that was possible and could be done, so are you saying it is?You certainly can restore it... however, with later versions of the firmware, it remains unlocked. The restore should get you past any retail employee... since there won't be any 3rd party software on the device. They could run some tests, but I would question any monetary benefit for Apple.

All of this said, I still think some of this has to do with their exclusivity agreement with at&t... and that they must take some action to live up to their end of the contract. Recent software unlocks are way too easy to use...

However, similar to FairPlay cracks and the music industry, I'll be very surprised if they go on an all out offensive... In my experience (since Apple II/Mac SE), Apple doesn't carpet bomb their user base (unlike M$ that has a conflict of interest). In the end, they are still a hardware company focused on consumers... and whatever sells more hardware is fine by them.

And to be clear, I'm a fan of ALL platforms (OSX, XP, and Ubuntu on my laptop)... so please don't flame me! :D

If the question is... do I think the next update will break 3rd party software, my answer is yes. That has been my experience with the AppleTV (my 500+ DVD jukebox) updates. But, since there is a legion of happy hackers out there, in the past, fixes have been made available the same day. And now, with nitoTV, it will copy and update (but not patch the kernel) the necessary pieces of software for you. Heck, they even copy the files from OSX combo update to provide the DVD functionality.

And, IMO, the breaking of 3rd party apps is to be expected: they're not going to add any additional time to their schedule to ensure they don't break something they didn't plan on to begin with.

If they do go hardcore after their user base... well, hello Linux! I mean, it is still a decent piece of hardware.

We'll see when the update comes out... as I have an at&t account AND an unlocked iPhone. If they purposefully break my iPhone, they'll learn just how irrational a wireless customer can become. ;)

j__1
09-24-2007, 09:57 PM
If you take Apple at their word, they aren't going after the unlock with the upcoming update.... They've tested a variety of the unlocks and they're giving the community a heads up.

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Apple warns hacking iPhone may harm it

SAN JOSE, Calif. - IPhone owners who have unlocked their handsets so they could use carriers other than AT&T may end up with a phone that doesn't work after the company's next software update, Apple Inc. warned Monday.
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Since the iPhone debuted in June, hackers have posted a number of methods online to make it possible to use the iPhone on cellular networks other than AT&T, which is the exclusive official carrier for the iPhone.

Apple executives say they have discovered that many of those unauthorized unlocking programs cause some software damage to iPhones.

Now, a software update that Apple plans to issue later this week that will add features such as accessibility to the iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store may end up making the touch-screen cell phone completely inoperable if it has been hacked into.

"This has nothing to do with proactively disabling a phone that is unlocked or hacked," Phil Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of worldwide product marketing, said in an interview. "It's unfortunate that some of these programs have caused damage to the iPhone software, but Apple cannot be responsible for ... those consequences."

Schiller said he didn't know how many iPhones are operating on different carriers.

The programs — including several that can be downloaded for free, and at least one that costs $25 — appear to be particularly popular with consumers in Europe. Many Europeans have bought iPhones in the United States, but Apple will not be selling them or providing service for them in Europe until November.

"From the consumer point of view, this is extremely concerning to anyone who has unlocked their phone — especially people outside the US, where this is the only way to use the iPhone with any carrier," said Erica Sadun, a Denver computer programmer who developed a graphic interface for one software program that unlocks the iPhone. "Apple has essentially told them, 'Sorry, we cannot work with you.'"

As with any Apple product, hacking into the iPhone will void its warranty, Apple said.

Apple has sold over a million iPhones since it hit the market June 29.