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tmobilefan
09-15-2007, 04:50 PM
Reader Mitoko was shocked to find $1,000 worth of charges from an unknown phone number on her latest T-Mobile (http://consumerist.com/consumer/t_mobile/) bill. T-Mobile refused to vacate the charges, even after admitting that the number that somehow latched onto her account was already under investigation for suspicious activity. One thoughtless rep suggested that Mitoko merely lost track of time while racking up the mysterious charges, and offered to bump her up to a more expensive plan. Mitoko writes: I checked my T-Mobile bill this month and saw that I was billed $1,169.84. A lot of the calls and text messages were made from 401 XXX-XXXX, a mysterious phone number attached to my account that I have never seen before. I called T Mobile and spoke with Cindy, who said the number is under investigation but the charges are valid even though the vast majority of it was from a phone number that does not belong to me. Cindy then said she will call me back 2 days from now on Friday and that the new number will be suspended. Not happy with the outcome I called again and spoke with Gabriel (#0458150) who kept denying for 15 minutes that any phone calls were made from the 401 number and that I had made those calls to cities I've never heard of under my number, and maybe I "forgot" and "lost track of time" when making these calls. I finally showed her the online billing (http://consumerist.com/consumer/billing/) statement that clearly showed TEN pages of phone calls from the 401 number to numbers and cities I have never seen before. She promptly says "Oh...", puts me on hold for 10 minutes, comes back and tells me that the charges are valid because they were made from the same phone! Then she asks if I want to change my plan to one with more minutes so I won't have to pay $1,000 next month, thanks Gabby!
T-Mobile is basically insinuating that I purchased two numbers/SIM cards on the same account, then swapped them in and out of the phone at various times (often making calls from both numbers at the same time on the same phone!), racked up a bill of $1,169 after two months and am now trying to weasel my way out of this monstrous bill by lying.
Gabriel was kind enough to tell me that perhaps I should figure out who's number it is and that I should call it. Realizing that T Mobile obviously doesn't give a crap, I called the 401 number and got a message "By subscriber's request this phone number does not accept incoming calls". I asked Gabriel if she'll forward me to her supervisor, she says yes but he's busy so he'll call me back tomorrow. After much cajoling she puts me on the line with the supervisor who promptly tells me the charges are valid and that he'll have someone else call me back in 10 minutes. Take a wild guess if he called me back or not? Yup. This is why I'm not even going to bother anymore with their awful customer service (http://consumerist.com/consumer/customer-service/).
I'm not going to pay $1,169.84 worth of phone calls that I did not make, T-Mobile will probably cancel my phone line next month for non payment and I'll be without a phone for a while, this is going to suck majorly. They also billed me $466.12 last month and that was auto paid. I'm guessing they're not going to just give that back unless I take them to court. I've been a customer of T-Mobile's for many years, have always paid my bills on time, never disputed anything because I travel a lot and have set everything on auto pay (http://consumerist.com/consumer/auto-pay/), but this is just ridiculous. I can't believe they're ignoring me as if I'm some lying irresponsible 14 year old girl who just got her first cell phone. All the evidence points to someone hijacking my account. Why won't T-Mobile take scams like this seriously?
After disabling autopay, go back and make sure your previous $466 bill is not also littered with fraudulent charges. If it is, call you credit card company and ask to file a chargeback. T-Mobile should take the scam more seriously, but like a drunken frat boy, they are after only one thing: your money.


T-Mobile: Your Bill Looks Fraudulent. Pay It Anyway - Consumerist (http://consumerist.com/consumer/t_mobile/your-bill-looks-fraudulent-pay-it-anyway-300231.php)

darkjedi
09-15-2007, 07:13 PM
This is just a ridiculous story. I had this happen once with me when aiding a customer. She had gotten her phone line jacked just as this story seems to be. T-mobile recognized the problem, the erratic call pattern and her bill was around 800 dollars. She was told to pay it anyway to avoid shutoff. She refused and I can't say I disagreed with her. I have no idea what the result was but I ran into her a week later at a best buy and I noticed she wasn't carrying a T-mobile phone anymore. I can't say I blame her and that I would have reacted any differently. I bet this problem occurs more often than we read about. Its really too bad and I know this problem isn't solely a T-mobile issue. I'm sure with a little research we'd find horror stories that had occurred between all the national carriers.

Nwahs
09-15-2007, 07:13 PM
Doesn't seem typical of T-mobiel Customer Service

1. T-mobile needs to ensure the hijacking can't happen
2. They need to recognize it if it does happen and investigate

terryjohnson16
09-15-2007, 08:31 PM
What I have to say might not be pertaining to this case, but I don't trust Indirect Dealers. No offense to anyone on here that works for them, but sometimes I think people go to them, to get deals, and the indirect dealer does stuff to their line without permission.

darkjedi
09-15-2007, 09:33 PM
Doesn't seem typical of T-mobiel Customer Service

1. T-mobile needs to ensure the hijacking can't happen
2. They need to recognize it if it does happen and investigate

I'm not sure the carriers to out and out stop this. Criminal technology usually stays one step in front of those sworn to stop them. You can hijack a phone with 100 dollars of equipment from radio shack so I don't think T-mobile nor any carrier is in any real position to stop this. The reliance needs to be on people not wanting to do such things moreso than the technology can be set in place to stop it.

The iphone wasn't supposed to be broken. Nokia was supposed to be working up an unbreakable system, didn't happen. Some things the good guys just can't prevent.

SJSMR2
09-15-2007, 09:58 PM
I am not a fan of indirects either. No offense of course. I try to deal with customer care or a corporate store these days so I am sure that things will go smooth. When I signed up in '05 I signed up with a local indirect. But at that time it was either that or use the kiosk in the Wal-Mart electronics section. I must say that my one and only experience with an indirect did go smooth. But after reading on here and mostly HoFo. I will steer clear of them whenever possible.

ssassy01d
09-16-2007, 06:03 AM
I can't blame this customer for reacting the way he did in this situation, I think I would have done the same , which doesnt mean that it couldnt happen somewhere else. I'm sure cell phone companies get bombarded with "I didn't make these calls" but that's a little obvious if you ask me and something should be done about it to satisfy the customer.

tmobilefan
09-16-2007, 07:09 AM
What I have to say might not be pertaining to this case, but I don't trust Indirect Dealers. No offense to anyone on here that works for them, but sometimes I think people go to them, to get deals, and the indirect dealer does stuff to their line without permission.

Yeah, you never know what people might do.

Nwahs
09-16-2007, 08:16 AM
I'm not sure the carriers to out and out stop this. Criminal technology usually stays one step in front of those sworn to stop them. You can hijack a phone with 100 dollars of equipment from radio shack so I don't think T-mobile nor any carrier is in any real position to stop this. The reliance needs to be on people not wanting to do such things moreso than the technology can be set in place to stop it.

The iphone wasn't supposed to be broken. Nokia was supposed to be working up an unbreakable system, didn't happen. Some things the good guys just can't prevent.

Hmmm didn't know that. Well if it is really that easy, T-mobile, In my opinion, needs to recognize that this can happens, find a way to verify that it happened if that is possible, and fix it. I do now see how tough of a situation that is for T-mobile...as I doubt there is a way to verify, and if they accepted one and took away the charges, then they would have to take all of them, and therefor everyone would call in with overages and complain.

darkjedi
09-16-2007, 08:29 AM
Hmmm didn't know that. Well if it is really that easy, T-mobile, In my opinion, needs to recognize that this can happens, find a way to verify that it happened if that is possible, and fix it. I do now see how tough of a situation that is for T-mobile...as I doubt there is a way to verify, and if they accepted one and took away the charges, then they would have to take all of them, and therefor everyone would call in with overages and complain.

Those overages that "everyone" would call and complain about would be from their OWN phone number, not a number that suddenly appears on the bill as a second line. Its that notion that changes the entire argument and takes customers with traditional overages out of the bargaining program. The calls will be related to their own number, they will have been numbers that these people have called previously.

Personally, I've called out numerous people before on this. They come in and have a certain dollar amount in overages and claim to not know phone numbers that were dialed. Well I take one of two actions, first I research bill history and if the number appears on previous bills end of argument. Two, I'll call the number and ask if they know so and so. I'm just protecting company interests and its also just a little fun to see the look on someones face when you call their bluff and they get nailed!!